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Zigic; a little rant
Topic Started: Nov 20 2011, 10:46 PM (1,214 Views)
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say what you want about this but imo zigic is holding this team back, and it showed against peterboro yesterday. i think CH feels pressured into playing zig just because of his high wages, that he cant be left out of a matchday. i dont know if rooney was available for yesterday, but maybe if zig was on 10 times less wages rooney would have been on the bench. i dont know if rooney would have been better than zig, but i know rooney wouldnt just stand there and watch a croos go by from 3 yards out. i admit just before zigic came on we werent playing our best but when he came on we just automatically hit the ball to zig, in times where we might be able to spread the ball out wide. i trust CH completely but when zig came on, i dont think he was the right player, imo elliot should have came on to like the mid to the attack, because we were lacking that at that stage. with our small squad zig will play a role, but maybe he should play a smaller one? maybe redmond could play behind a striker instead of zig next to one. zigic does make space and make defenders **** themselvs with his height, but i think that the pressure CH is under to play him, zigic plays a bigger role than his performances have deserved. rant over.
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With all that said, I don't think Hughton is like that and I think he sees some potential in him. He showed some good technique and forced a decent save from their keeper late on against the Posh, even though he was offside it's a shot on target which we were lacking throughout the game.

No matter how bad you say he is, if you get our wingers to float a ball into the box there's a good chance he can grab a goal. That is why he's a great asset and why he's being brought on quite late.

He was brought on for wood, and in my opinion Zigic did more in the amount of time he was on than Wood did for the entire game. I'm not going to take away Wood's determination and passion because he wasn't lacking that, but Hughton saw that he wasn't really going to do anything and put a fresh pair of legs on, lanky ones.

I feel this is a Torres sort of situation, he is worth the money we're paying him. Just wait for him to shine and he'll be the next Grant Holt.
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Nov 20 2011, 11:19 PM
With all that said, I don't think Hughton is like that and I think he sees some potential in him. He showed some good technique and forced a decent save from their keeper late on against the Posh, even though he was offside it's a shot on target which we were lacking throughout the game.

No matter how bad you say he is, if you get our wingers to float a ball into the box there's a good chance he can grab a goal. That is why he's a great asset and why he's being brought on quite late.

He was brought on for wood, and in my opinion Zigic did more in the amount of time he was on than Wood did for the entire game. I'm not going to take away Wood's determination and passion because he wasn't lacking that, but Hughton saw that he wasn't really going to do anything and put a fresh pair of legs on, lanky ones.

I feel this is a Torres sort of situation, he is worth the money we're paying him. Just wait for him to shine and he'll be the next Grant Holt.

I just wish he would show a bit more aggression and attack the ball more.
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Nov 20 2011, 11:19 PM
With all that said, I don't think Hughton is like that and I think he sees some potential in him. He showed some good technique and forced a decent save from their keeper late on against the Posh, even though he was offside it's a shot on target which we were lacking throughout the game.

No matter how bad you say he is, if you get our wingers to float a ball into the box there's a good chance he can grab a goal. That is why he's a great asset and why he's being brought on quite late.

He was brought on for wood, and in my opinion Zigic did more in the amount of time he was on than Wood did for the entire game. I'm not going to take away Wood's determination and passion because he wasn't lacking that, but Hughton saw that he wasn't really going to do anything and put a fresh pair of legs on, lanky ones.

I feel this is a Torres sort of situation, he is worth the money we're paying him. Just wait for him to shine and he'll be the next Grant Holt.

I just wish he would show a bit more aggression and attack the ball more.

Yeah, he can be frustrating but I think Hughton will get the best out of him soon enough. Well, i hope.
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Chris hughton doesnt seem the sort of manager who bows to pressure to me, I think he does his best with what hes got. Theres always a chance with the big man that he can cause some confusion in the box (no, not with his own players :) ) and get something.
That said he "needs to try harder" or at least look more interested. :banghead:
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Zigic is carp. We have a small squad and a shed-load of games, so all players will get game time - even Zigic.

And I don't think the future is bright with this one either - just who is going to pay £millions for Zigic and just who is going to pay him £50k per week?



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Zigic. Simply. Is not a good footballer. I refuse to accept otherwise.
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I feel your frustration totally.

Zigic has done nothing to justify his £50k wages. He seems to hold back when going for 50/50 balls, is poor in the air and his first touch is woeful.

Kevin Francis, who was laughed at by many, was a better player IMO. At least he gave 100% and attacked the ball. I've only ever seen Zigic have 1-2 decent matches since he's been here.

People were saying that he would rip up trees in this division. Sorry to say he looks poorer than ever and what is even more disappointing is that we look like we are lumbered with him.

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Yes, Zigic is a big bloke who should be an asset in the air, but when did you last see him really attack a header? He lets the ball hit his head, rather than move his head to the ball. He also seems to think his height should be enough to win a header and rarely seems to jump.

As I've said before, he seems a smashing bloke and I really wanted him to succeed and be a star with us, but he's just not good enough. We become too one dimensional with him in the tea, which is ok if you have the sort of player who can take advantage of that, but Zigic is not that sort of player.

He was a poor buy and we should cut our losses and ship him out - if anybody will have him - in the January window.
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Yes, Zigic is a big bloke who should be an asset in the air, but when did you last see him really attack a header? He lets the ball hit his head, rather than move his head to the ball. He also seems to think his height should be enough to win a header and rarely seems to jump.

As I've said before, he seems a smashing bloke and I really wanted him to succeed and be a star with us, but he's just not good enough. We become too one dimensional with him in the tea, which is ok if you have the sort of player who can take advantage of that, but Zigic is not that sort of player.

He was a poor buy and we should cut our losses and ship him out - if anybody will have him - in the January window.

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Also did you see the players when ziggy ws on,half the time they antisipated that zig wouldnt win the flick on and never bothered to make runs,this caused a few more groans from the crowd but lets hope theres another ginger one out there and snaps him up in jan
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Nov 21 2011, 11:29 AM
Yes, Zigic is a big bloke who should be an asset in the air, but when did you last see him really attack a header? He lets the ball hit his head, rather than move his head to the ball. He also seems to think his height should be enough to win a header and rarely seems to jump.

As I've said before, he seems a smashing bloke and I really wanted him to succeed and be a star with us, but he's just not good enough. We become too one dimensional with him in the tea, which is ok if you have the sort of player who can take advantage of that, but Zigic is not that sort of player.

He was a poor buy and we should cut our losses and ship him out - if anybody will have him - in the January window.

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Also did you see the players when ziggy ws on,half the time they antisipated that zig wouldnt win the flick on and never bothered to make runs,this caused a few more groans from the crowd but lets hope theres another ginger one out there and snaps him up in jan

In fairness to McLeish I've heard it said that he didn't actually want Zigic and it was at the board's insistence that he was recruited. How true it is I don't know but somebody somewhere is responsible for one of the worst deals in this club's history.
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Why do people keep saying how bad he is ? He is serbias first choice centre forward, has a great goalscoring record for club and country.

The guy has been out for 7 months and hasn't had a run in the team since being back. He was on fire last year and got injured at the wrong time. Do not write him off, he is a qualtiy player.
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Nov 21 2011, 11:13 AM
Why do people keep saying how bad he is ? He is serbias first choice centre forward, has a great goalscoring record for club and country.

The guy has been out for 7 months and hasn't had a run in the team since being back. He was on fire last year and got injured at the wrong time. Do not write him off, he is a qualtiy player.

Yes, he has got a good record for his country and playing for clubs abroad, Spain in particular.

I have no idea how he has been such a success if I am totally honest. Perhaps the football is different abroad, but he has been a total flop in England.

His record/performance/workrate for Blues has been poor. Before injury/after injury he has never justified his £50k a week wages whichever way you look at it.

The minute I heard we'd signed a 6"7 striker I knew where we would be heading, same as when we shelled out £6m+ on Heskey who was equally as useless.

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Nov 21 2011, 11:13 AM
Why do people keep saying how bad he is ? He is serbias first choice centre forward, has a great goalscoring record for club and country.

The guy has been out for 7 months and hasn't had a run in the team since being back. He was on fire last year and got injured at the wrong time. Do not write him off, he is a qualtiy player.

Why do people say how bad he is? It might have something to do with his slowness, his inability to control a football, his inability to pass a football, his unwillingness to actually jump for headers amongst other things. What he has done for Serbia and what he is currently doing for Blues are two very different things, it seems.
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It was not going for that brilliant cross from king that has annoyed folk. TBF he did everything that was asked of him up to that point in his cameo role!

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Nov 21 2011, 10:59 AM
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Nov 21 2011, 11:29 AM
Yes, Zigic is a big bloke who should be an asset in the air, but when did you last see him really attack a header? He lets the ball hit his head, rather than move his head to the ball. He also seems to think his height should be enough to win a header and rarely seems to jump.

As I've said before, he seems a smashing bloke and I really wanted him to succeed and be a star with us, but he's just not good enough. We become too one dimensional with him in the tea, which is ok if you have the sort of player who can take advantage of that, but Zigic is not that sort of player.

He was a poor buy and we should cut our losses and ship him out - if anybody will have him - in the January window.

This **thumbup

Also did you see the players when ziggy ws on,half the time they antisipated that zig wouldnt win the flick on and never bothered to make runs,this caused a few more groans from the crowd but lets hope theres another ginger one out there and snaps him up in jan

In fairness to McLeish I've heard it said that he didn't actually want Zigic and it was at the board's insistence that he was recruited. How true it is I don't know but somebody somewhere is responsible for one of the worst deals in this club's history.

TBF the board made a clear statement earlier in the year that ALL players were the result of of the previous 5 5 0 manager. Any players they recommended were only ever signed if he gave the go ahead.
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Nov 21 2011, 12:12 PM
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Nov 21 2011, 10:59 AM
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Nov 21 2011, 10:49 AM
Blacksmith
Nov 21 2011, 11:29 AM
Yes, Zigic is a big bloke who should be an asset in the air, but when did you last see him really attack a header? He lets the ball hit his head, rather than move his head to the ball. He also seems to think his height should be enough to win a header and rarely seems to jump.

As I've said before, he seems a smashing bloke and I really wanted him to succeed and be a star with us, but he's just not good enough. We become too one dimensional with him in the tea, which is ok if you have the sort of player who can take advantage of that, but Zigic is not that sort of player.

He was a poor buy and we should cut our losses and ship him out - if anybody will have him - in the January window.

This **thumbup

Also did you see the players when ziggy ws on,half the time they antisipated that zig wouldnt win the flick on and never bothered to make runs,this caused a few more groans from the crowd but lets hope theres another ginger one out there and snaps him up in jan

In fairness to McLeish I've heard it said that he didn't actually want Zigic and it was at the board's insistence that he was recruited. How true it is I don't know but somebody somewhere is responsible for one of the worst deals in this club's history.

TBF the board made a clear statement earlier in the year that ALL players were the result of of the previous 5 5 0 manager. Any players they recommended were only ever signed if he gave the go ahead.

the sad thing is - the inept and boring one effectively "swapped" Benitez for Zigic in the close season of 2010.

I just can't wait for him to swap Agbonlahor for Carlos Costly.

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Nov 21 2011, 12:12 PM
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Nov 21 2011, 10:59 AM
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Nov 21 2011, 10:49 AM
Blacksmith
Nov 21 2011, 11:29 AM
Yes, Zigic is a big bloke who should be an asset in the air, but when did you last see him really attack a header? He lets the ball hit his head, rather than move his head to the ball. He also seems to think his height should be enough to win a header and rarely seems to jump.

As I've said before, he seems a smashing bloke and I really wanted him to succeed and be a star with us, but he's just not good enough. We become too one dimensional with him in the tea, which is ok if you have the sort of player who can take advantage of that, but Zigic is not that sort of player.

He was a poor buy and we should cut our losses and ship him out - if anybody will have him - in the January window.

This **thumbup

Also did you see the players when ziggy ws on,half the time they antisipated that zig wouldnt win the flick on and never bothered to make runs,this caused a few more groans from the crowd but lets hope theres another ginger one out there and snaps him up in jan

In fairness to McLeish I've heard it said that he didn't actually want Zigic and it was at the board's insistence that he was recruited. How true it is I don't know but somebody somewhere is responsible for one of the worst deals in this club's history.

TBF the board made a clear statement earlier in the year that ALL players were the result of of the previous 5 5 0 manager. Any players they recommended were only ever signed if he gave the go ahead.

Exactly.

Apparently Zarate and Chucho were signed by the last board. Neither of these were given a fair chance, unlike big Zig so it is my belief that he was very much a McBore signing.
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Now i don't want to get shot down for talking too much sense, but people have to be realistic.

- He has just come back from a serious injury; 6 months is a long,long time and it will take him a while to get back to match fitness, and most importantly match sharpness which is really what he has been missing. Also, with groin injuries, they are prone to flaring up soon after, Gerrard has just comeback from the same injury Ziggy had and he's out injured again

- Bear in mind he has probably never played this type of football before; the Championship is based a lot more on physicality than technique when compared to the prem and European leagues. Given his lengthy lay off it will take time for Zigic to fully trust his body's strength and ability to withstand challenges, especially in the air (which is what caused his problem to flair up last season).

- We are also playing a completely different style of football to last season; at the start of the season it took a while for players to gel and get used to our tactics, so why should Zigic be the exception?

- While he should have scored a couple more goals, he is getting into the right position aerially, and could easily have had 4 headed goals already? So far, only one headed goal has been scored from a striker (wood against milwall iirc) so he is getting in the right places and is a bigger threat in the air than our other strikers (unlike what people are claiming). Also, King only has 4 league goals, Rooney has one, and Wood has dried up completely, so Zigic isn't the only striker struggling for goals at the moment.

I apologize for writing an essay, but while he should be performing better he could easily have 5+ goals already, and he seems like the type of striker that when he starts scoring he keeps scoring judging by his history (even last season!). I remember people writing him off at this stage last season, remember how that turned out?
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Nov 21 2011, 01:41 PM
Now i don't want to get shot down for talking too much sense, but people have to be realistic.

- He has just come back from a serious injury; 6 months is a long,long time and it will take him a while to get back to match fitness, and most importantly match sharpness which is really what he has been missing. Also, with groin injuries, they are prone to flaring up soon after, Gerrard has just comeback from the same injury Ziggy had and he's out injured again

- Bear in mind he has probably never played this type of football before; the Championship is based a lot more on physicality than technique when compared to the prem and European leagues. Given his lengthy lay off it will take time for Zigic to fully trust his body's strength and ability to withstand challenges, especially in the air (which is what caused his problem to flair up last season).

- We are also playing a completely different style of football to last season; at the start of the season it took a while for players to gel and get used to our tactics, so why should Zigic be the exception?

- While he should have scored a couple more goals, he is getting into the right position aerially, and could easily have had 4 headed goals already? So far, only one headed goal has been scored from a striker (wood against milwall iirc) so he is getting in the right places and is a bigger threat in the air than our other strikers (unlike what people are claiming). Also, King only has 4 league goals, Rooney has one, and Wood has dried up completely, so Zigic isn't the only striker struggling for goals at the moment.

I apologize for writing an essay, but while he should be performing better he could easily have 5+ goals already, and he seems like the type of striker that when he starts scoring he keeps scoring judging by his history (even last season!). I remember people writing him off at this stage last season, remember how that turned out?

You seem to suggest Zigic's misses seem to be a strength rather than a weakness, bluenoseghag. Earlier on someone compared him to Heskey but whatever Heskey's weaknesses may be he is a far better footballer than Zigic will ever be in my view.
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Why do you think he was always on loan while playing in Spain....work it out folks.
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bluenoseghag
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Now i don't want to get shot down for talking too much sense, but people have to be realistic.

- He has just come back from a serious injury; 6 months is a long,long time and it will take him a while to get back to match fitness, and most importantly match sharpness which is really what he has been missing. Also, with groin injuries, they are prone to flaring up soon after, Gerrard has just comeback from the same injury Ziggy had and he's out injured again

- Bear in mind Zigic has probably never played this type of football before; the Championship is based a lot more on physicality than technique when compared to the prem and European leagues. Given his lengthy lay off it will take time for Zigic to fully trust his body's strength and ability to withstand challenges, especially in the air (which is what caused his problem to flair up last season).

- We are also playing a completely different style of football to last season; at the start of the season it took a while for players to gel and get used to our tactics, so why should Zigic be the exception?

- While he should have scored a couple more goals, he is getting into the right position aerially, and could easily have had 4 headed goals already? So far, only one headed goal has been scored from a striker (wood against milwall iirc) so he is getting in the right places and is a bigger threat in the air than our other strikers (unlike what people are claiming). Also, King only has 4 league goals, Rooney has one, and Wood has dried up completely, so Zigic isn't the only striker struggling for goals at the moment.

I apologize for writing an essay, but while he should be performing better he could easily have 5+ goals already, and he seems like the type of striker that when he starts scoring he keeps scoring judging by his history (even last season!). I remember people writing him off at this stage last season, remember how that turned out?

I agree bluenosehag, if Zigic had score in the short time Nikola was on the pitch we wouldn't be having this conversation. I think he is a lot better footballer than people give him credit for. I don't think the pairing up front had many more goals in them at the end on Saturday and if the game had have gone another ten minutes longer peterborough would have won. It was the lack of finishing early on that was to blame not Zigic last 19 minutes! :angry:
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He is simple a much better Premier League/La Liga striker than Championship.

He has done nothing this season, but nobody can argue the contribution he had last season when he was played.

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He is simple a much better Premier League/La Liga striker than Championship.

He has done nothing this season, but nobody can argue the contribution he had last season when he was played.

Me no understand. Why should a player struggle at a lower level than a higher one? I'm confused.
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Nov 21 2011, 02:57 PM
bluenoseghag
Nov 21 2011, 01:41 PM
Now i don't want to get shot down for talking too much sense, but people have to be realistic.

- He has just come back from a serious injury; 6 months is a long,long time and it will take him a while to get back to match fitness, and most importantly match sharpness which is really what he has been missing. Also, with groin injuries, they are prone to flaring up soon after, Gerrard has just comeback from the same injury Ziggy had and he's out injured again

- Bear in mind he has probably never played this type of football before; the Championship is based a lot more on physicality than technique when compared to the prem and European leagues. Given his lengthy lay off it will take time for Zigic to fully trust his body's strength and ability to withstand challenges, especially in the air (which is what caused his problem to flair up last season).

- We are also playing a completely different style of football to last season; at the start of the season it took a while for players to gel and get used to our tactics, so why should Zigic be the exception?

- While he should have scored a couple more goals, he is getting into the right position aerially, and could easily have had 4 headed goals already? So far, only one headed goal has been scored from a striker (wood against milwall iirc) so he is getting in the right places and is a bigger threat in the air than our other strikers (unlike what people are claiming). Also, King only has 4 league goals, Rooney has one, and Wood has dried up completely, so Zigic isn't the only striker struggling for goals at the moment.

I apologize for writing an essay, but while he should be performing better he could easily have 5+ goals already, and he seems like the type of striker that when he starts scoring he keeps scoring judging by his history (even last season!). I remember people writing him off at this stage last season, remember how that turned out?

You seem to suggest Zigic's misses seem to be a strength rather than a weakness, bluenoseghag. Earlier on someone compared him to Heskey but whatever Heskey's weaknesses may be he is a far better footballer than Zigic will ever be in my view.

not quite. While yes he should have scored 4 headers so far, at least he has got himself into the positions where no other blues attacker has been getting themselves into. If he keeps doing this the goals will eventually come
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